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McMaster_de
10-25-2007, 05:57 PM
This is a discussion thread for the following file:<br><br><b><a href=http://www.gearthhacks.com/dlfile27519/Royal-Navy-ships-in-Portsmouth.htm>Royal Navy ships in Portsmouth</a></b><br><br>It plays host to a large part of the surface fleet of the Royal Navy including Invincible-class aircraft carriers, Type 42 destroyers, the majority of the Type 23 frigates, fishery protection vessels and two squadrons of mine counter-measures vessels (minesweepers and mine hunters). Most of the vessels based in Portsmouth form part of the Portsmouth Flotilla, under the Fleet First reorganisation which saw the three port flotillas replace the frigate &amp; destroyer squadrons and other groupings. <br />
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In total some 17,300 people work in the base. Until recently it was the base of the Second Sea Lord who flies his flag in HMS Victory, which is the oldest commissioned warship in the world (although it was originally built at Chatham Dockyard).<br><br><img src=http://www.gearthhacks.com/images/new/080505/949587ship.jpg>

McMaster_de
10-25-2007, 05:58 PM
If anyone can identify a ship exactly, then post it and I will update the file.

Munden
10-26-2007, 01:11 AM
The ones in reserve are:

HMS Rame Head (far north)
D-88 Glasgow (west)
D-108 Cardiff (northeast)
D-87 Newcastle (southeast)

L-11 Intrepid is the NE of the two amphibious assault ships
L-10 Fearless is the SW of them.

The ship in front of HMS Southampton is Y-32 Moorhen (the boat with the two booms in front)

The unmarked Type 23 frigate is one of two purchased by the Chilean Navy. The choices being the former F-230 Norfolk and F-80 Grafton. I am fairly certain it's the Norfolk based on what is visible on the superstructure. I've seen shots of the Grafton and she still had some of the radomes on the mast. I'm not 100&#37; positive, but that's my best estimate currently.

The submarine down by the Semaphore Tower is the S-803 Zeeleeuw, a Netherlands Walrus class submarine.

The large oiler near the Grey Rover is the A-111 Oakleaf, which has slightly varied dimensions from the other 'Leaf' class ships.

McMaster_de
10-26-2007, 05:17 AM
Thx to you.

Poomuckl
10-26-2007, 02:58 PM
How do you differ between completely equal looking ships?

It's no problem for me to identify the Invincible Aircraft Carrier since it's the only one at Portsmouth. But there are ships like D91 and D90, F230 and F237, L10 and L11 etc.
I neither see any difference nor any labeling.

Munden
10-26-2007, 09:16 PM
The simplest way for UK ships is to look for the letter deck codes on the backs of the ships. Those are distinct to individual ships.

To find some of the harder ones it takes looking around and finding images people have to identify which ships have certain weapon systems and sensors and which ones are missing them. For instance, if you look at the Type 23 frigates you can see that there are actually two types of guns on the forward deck. HMS Westminster (up along the northern section) has an older-styled rounded turret. The ship in front of it as well as HMS Lancaster has a newer modified gun which has sharp edges instead of being rounded.

Still, it does come down to other images and research sometimes. I found some good images outside of Google Earth to be able to read the deck codes of HMS Intrepid and HMS Fearless to know which was which.

Poomuckl
10-27-2007, 01:35 AM
Letter deck codes... now I see them :P
I was looking for numbers all the time and then there are these two letters (seems always 1st & 2nd, 1st & last or 1st of each name) on many ships. Ok, that makes them definitely unique.

How did you do it with the HMS Newcastle (D87) and HMS Cardiff (D108)? Can't see any letters there.

To be honest I think two days ago I'd have bet money that no one could identify that much ships without travelling to Portsmouth ;)
I'm really impressed.

Poomuckl
10-27-2007, 02:20 AM
Got one!

RFA Bayleaf (A109) below the RFA Oakleaf (A-111).

There are three support tankers listed on official royal navy web page http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/show/nav.5412

Oakleaf already identified and the Orangeleaf has a different afterdeck for containers and a more modern lifeboat.
So it must be the RFA Bayleaf (A109).

Orangeleaf - http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/img/navy/ConMediaFile/rnimage.php?mainImage=Boarding-Team.jpg&width=1152
Bayleaf -http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/upload/img_400/bay1_20071004135657.jpg

Munden
10-27-2007, 02:28 AM
If you look on the back of HMS Glasgow, you'll see that there are deckcodes. They're hard to read and the "G" looks a lot like a "C". However, if you look carefully you can see the second letter, mostly faded, is a W. That'd be GW for HMS Glasgow. As for HMS Cardiff, it's the only one remaining. Research points out that these three ships are in Fareham Creek awaiting their final fate. Identifying the other two identifies the last by process of elimination. :)

A couple of others I didn't mention before are LST-3515 HMS Stalker which is up against the peninsula north of HMS Bristol. It's been effectively ready to scrap for a while, but there's a movement on to save her.

Also, though it's not literally in Porthsmouth, I consider L-3036 Sir Percivale up in Southampton to be basically in Portsmouth. :) It's in my placemark set.

Munden
10-27-2007, 02:32 AM
Got one!

RFA Bayleaf (A109) below the RFA Oakleaf (A-111).

There are three support tankers listed on official royal navy web page http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/show/nav.5412

Oakleaf already identified and the Orangeleaf has a different afterdeck for containers and a more modern lifeboat.
So it must be the RFA Bayleaf (A109).

Orangeleaf - http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/img/navy/ConMediaFile/rnimage.php?mainImage=Boarding-Team.jpg&width=1152
Bayleaf -http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/upload/img_400/bay1_20071004135657.jpg

Yup, it's a distinct possibility. There's another ship in the class, though. HMS Brambleleaf. I've not had good luck finding information on if it's been decommissioned and just where it is kept today if it was. The Brambleleaf looks like the Bayleaf. You're definitely working in the right direction! :)

Poomuckl
10-27-2007, 02:54 AM
There's another ship in the class, though. HMS Brambleleaf. I've not had good luck finding information on if it's been decommissioned and just where it is kept today if it was. The Brambleleaf looks like the Bayleaf.
There's really another ship. And it looks 100&#37; like the Bayleaf. Same deck, same lifeboat.

But what I've discovered are the radar globes. On older pics both ships have two small globes. On newer pics there is this one big white globe right in the middle of the bridge.
The ship in Portsmouth has no more globes. Neither the two small, nor the big one. It seems it is your Brambleleaf (A81) ship where wikipedia says "Due for scrapping 15 March 2007" because the Bayleaf is still in service.

edit: Can't edit my last post to correct the mistake :/

Munden
10-27-2007, 03:23 AM
There's really another ship. And it looks 100% like the Bayleaf. Same deck, same lifeboat.

But what I've discovered are the radar globes. On older pics both ships have two small globes. On newer pics there is this one big white globe right in the middle of the bridge.
The ship in Portsmouth has no more globes. Neither the two small, nor the big one. It seems it is your Brambleleaf (A81) ship where wikipedia says "Due for scrapping 15 March 2007" because the Bayleaf is still in service.

edit: Can't edit my last post to correct the mistake :/

That's a very good point. It does look like they might be stripping equipment. I know that Fearless and Intrepid were both placed here while they were being prepared for sitting in Fareham Creek as well. I think your current theory sounds like you got it. :)

Poomuckl
10-27-2007, 03:47 AM
There are 4 about 60m long ships east of HMS York (D98) position.
2 with gun, 2 without.

They must be Hunt-class mine countermeasures vessels http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunt_class_MCMV

edit: The 52m ship between the HMS Leeds Castle (P258) and RFA Sir Tristram (L3505) must be Sandown-class minehunter although it seems none has Portsmouth as its home port http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandown_class_minesweeper

edit: The two 80m ships east of HMS Lancaster (F229) -> River class patrol vessel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_class_patrol_vessel

Munden
10-27-2007, 06:06 PM
Yup, those agree with my own placemarks. I didn't bother posting them since McMaster only seemed interested in specific ships. Technically one can also add Longbow, which is the large green barge near HMS Grey Rover. It's a trials platform. Also A-196 Gwendoline, which is the red tug just in front of Y-32 Moorhen. I wasn't sure how small people wanted to go with the identifications. :) I have others marked like a Newhaven class transport and various Adept, Dog, and Felicity class tugs. Gwendoline is easy to spot because she's a modified Felicity and is the only one with that paint job that I know of.