jpwade - do not post my models

[JP Wade]

No Permissions:

I noticed today SpiderX22 generated a thread for a model i created

Please do not hyperlink from google earth hacks, or elsewhere, to models i have posted on the net.



jpwade

[JP Wade]

No Permissions:

I noticed today SpiderX22 generated a thread for a model i created

Please do not hyperlink from google earth hacks, or elsewhere, to models i have posted on the net.

jpwade

hyperlink includes HOT-LINKING

[SpiderX22]

Okay. My bad.

[JP Wade]

Okay. My bad.

Glad to get your attention,

Perhaps you will also remove my model you posted at:
http://www.gearthhacks.com/dlfile21566/Balloons.htm

[JP Wade]

Okay. My bad.

MickMel.com has done a great job with his work, and if people are not careful with their actions at his sites, his work will aquire negative feedback.

Perhaps other forms of internal controls should be implemented at GE Hacks to inhibit these forms of errors occuring.

jpwade

[Mickey]

Please do not hyperlink from google earth hacks, or elsewhere, to models i have posted on the net.
I don't think that hyperlinking to a page of yours that has a model on it would be a problem.

hyperlink includes HOT-LINKING
I agree that hotlinking and/or hosting the file on our servers would be inappropriate.

Perhaps you will also remove my model you posted at:
http://www.gearthhacks.com/dlfile21566/Balloons.htm
Am I missing something here? That looks like a normal placemark to some balloons in the back of a truck -- not a model or anything.

Perhaps other forms of internal controls should be implemented at GE Hacks to inhibit these forms of errors occuring.
I welcome any suggestions on how that could be done.

[JP Wade]

Am I missing something here?


As per our pm correspondence through this forum mail server, please support my request.

jpwade

[Mickey]

As per our pm correspondence through this forum mail server, please support my request.

I intend to support your request. I'm just confused.

You have various models on your site of balloons. The placemark you referenced here isn't 3D models or anything -- just a simple placemark to a location. I thought maybe you had linked to the wrong file or something. Is it really yours?

[SpiderX22]

No Mickey..it was a 3D model. I just deleted the file when jpwade asked me to. It was a relatively old file (before GEH supported linking) and so I hadn't linked it. When we were converting files to links, we must have forgotten about this file.

As soon as I have time, I'll look through my files for more, but I have very little time atm.

[Forkboy2]

MickMel.com has done a great job with his work, and if people are not careful with their actions at his sites, his work will aquire negative feedback.

Perhaps other forms of internal controls should be implemented at GE Hacks to inhibit these forms of errors occuring.

jpwade

Don't mean to fan the flames, but why would you say bad things about the website designer, when they probably have nothing to do with content? All that's required of GEH is to remove content upon request of a copywright holder and it sounds like they are more than willing to do that. No need for threats, personal attacks and an overall bad attitude.

Matt

[JP Wade]

why would you say bad things about the website designer
Matt

Matt,
re-read my post, no where did I state anything bad about the designer. I did state "other forms of internal controls should be implemented." , especially when a member of GEH has already established a history of doing wrong.

All that's required of GEH is to remove content upon request of a copywright holder
Matt

Why should any copywright holder have to police GEH, again especially when a history of wrong has already been established.

Review this thread:
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/574803/page/vc , dated 8-2006


jpwade

[Forkboy2]

Why should any copywright holder have to police GEH, again especially when a history of wrong has already been established.

jpwade

I'm no lawyer, but that's pretty much the law. YouTube and millions of other websites wouldn't exist if not for this loophole. All they are really required to do is remove material when requested. It sounds like GEH takes a more proactive approach already. Maybe SpiderX22 has made mistakes, doesn't sound like he's intentionally uploading others work anymore. I don't disagree with you, I just think you might be overreacting a bit.

The whole issue of hotlinking kml/kmz files seems like a big grey area. One way of looking at Google Earth is that it's a browser, except instead of html, it uses KML. In which case hotlinking from one KML file to another KML file would be no different than hyperlinking from one website to another.

Matt

[JP Wade]

... , but that's pretty much the law. .... I just think you might be overreacting ....
Matt

the law?

from where i am sitting, its about respect

after reviewing quite a few posts nowhere do i see model source, data source ect ... appended to any uploads/posts.

In short anything and everything from anywhere is being copied/uploaded and then re-distributed without source credits.

reaction is expected for this form of disrespect

jpwade

[GEH4EVR]

jp wade, I know the feeling of models being uploaded to other sites, It's happened to me before. Now, what if SpiderX22 changed the file details to state that the original files were created by jp wade.

Best Wishes Jacob

[Forkboy2]

the law?

from where i am sitting, its about respect

after reviewing quite a few posts nowhere do i see model source, data source ect ... appended to any uploads/posts.

In short anything and everything from anywhere is being copied/uploaded and then re-distributed without source credits.

reaction is expected for this form of disrespect

jpwade

I'm sure that happens, but I doubt it's as big of a problem as you make it out to be. I just took a quick look at several models uploads, and they all either reference the source, or simply link to another website where the actual KML file can be downloaded. Either way, it's impossible for GEH to verify the source of every file uploaded, so the responsibility is left up to the person uploading the file and the copyright holder. My guess is that if a user was really abusing the system, GEH would ban them.

I think most designers are in this for the fun of it and don't really care if their file gets passed around a bit or network linked/hot linked. Furthermore, the entire Google Earth community will benefit if the designers would relax a bit. For example, last month we had wildfires in California and there was KML stuff being posted by many different organizations and individuals. It's much better situation if all the data is treated more or less public domain so it can be mashed with other data without having to worry about getting explicit permission from everyone. Of course, proper credit should be given.

Also, the nice think about KML is that the designer can put their credits right there in the file so when the end user opens it up they will see who designed it, the website, the source of the data, limitations, etc. It's all built right into the KML file!!

Matt

[JP Wade]

... what if SpiderX22 changed the file details to state that the original files were created by jp wade.

Best Wishes Jacob


all of my models have a similar signature,

contact for permissions ....

Some of the Information i normally ask before release:
where will the model be posted, how many instances, etc ...

In some instances I have been very flexible with aspects of release, for example screen captures, I have stated capture as need dictates.

I require actual identity information for release.

jpwade

[JP Wade]

I welcome any suggestions on how that could be done.

Hello Mickey,

I have on a few occasions considered a web authoring or bulletin board site for modelers. Understanding the complexity and responsibilities associated with providing storage space has led me astray. I have not the time or interest with tracking member input to storage space that I would be providing. Nor would i want to review back-ups to isolate discrepancies.


I do not agree with a point of view within this thread that states "All that's required of GEH is to remove content ..... "

Some idea’s for the forum
*123Rule - break a copyright, a warning, a second time , a notice of member termination, a 3rd ban the user and flag the ip for monitoring.

*members are required to submit release correspondence if needed.(123Rule applies)

*upload check box – are you the content creator?
*upload text box – data source & credits.
*upload check box – have all copyright aspects been released?

Posts in the waiting for approval status should not be visible until a mod clears it for posting. member name with the 3 replies above appended could be within a information box of the post.


Not addressing this issue will eventually result in GEH as being known as a forum with hi-jacked models.


For example:
my permissions state “for viewing from within the GE Forum only”.

If a screen capture of my work or a kml of my work appears elsewhere, it should have release correspondence associated with it.

I give my work out (release distribution of it) when “I” elect to do so.