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edwinsrl
03-15-2006, 06:09 PM
Does any body knows or has anybody developed a little program to simulate in google earth what would happen if a certain megatonos (to define by the user) atomic bomb explodes in some specific point in the earth. I mean, considering the real geography of that specific area, hills, mountains, etc, and maybe associated with wind models...

Does anybodyknow if that is possible?

I also would like to find similar simulators for other disasters like earthquakes, tsunamis, plages, floads, etc, Where yo define the intensity of the disaster and the center point and then you see in google earth an overlay showing diferent grades of effects...

Lord SteveO
03-16-2006, 05:17 PM
I suppose it's possible, but some of those things you listed need a lot of computing power to simulate.
Some simulation of nuclear tests were done using supercomputers, that's how big the data produced it!
But i think a very basic version could be made, possibly?

edwinsrl
03-16-2006, 06:24 PM
That's my conclusion too.

For instance, in the case of the atomic bomb effect simulation, I'm just thinking in something as simple as some standard basic overlays (one diferent for, for example 1 megaton, another for 10 megaton, etc.) with a central circular area with let’s say a probability of 0% of survivors after 15 days, and then another bigger ring with a probability of 20% of survivors after 15 days, and another with 40%, etc. That basic overlay, that will look like a shooting target (a center circle surrounded by rings) should be adjusted by the geographic shape of the specific area were the simulation runs, staying the same were it is a flat area but been narrowed where there are hills or mountains (depending on the height of them of course).

Don't worry, I’m not a terrorist, I’m not also an expert in atomic bombs and I don't want even to be one at all... But I would like to know the probability of surviving to different kind of disasters in order to find the best area for my family to live in the city where I'm now which is Santiago, Chile. Where we definitely have earthquakes, volcano's eruptions, tsunamis, floods... and unfortunately, and not because Chileans, now we could suffer mega terrorist attacks like nuclear bombs or chemical or biological attacks. Which means that I also want to know what happens to Santiago if Buenos Aires, Argentina, or Sao Paolo, Brazil are attacked.

I'm pretty sure that some of you could develop little programs to simulate these different kinds of natural and non-natural disasters effects.

edwinsrl
03-21-2006, 08:53 PM
Any ideas...?

BradG7
03-22-2006, 11:31 PM
I doubt they will for a long time, considering the fact that no civilian has the knowledge of what a bomb on the molecular level will do to everything in the enviornment and the atmosphere. And about the rings that were suggested, wind effects where the radiation drifts, so rings would be impossible.

edwinsrl
03-23-2006, 04:05 PM
I understand... Well I'll have to wait for that model then.

But... what about models for ...

Tsunamis
Volcanic eruptions
River Floods

I think that they depend only on the geographical environment of the area that wants to be analyzed. The specific coast shape in the case of a tsunami, the area surrounding a specific volcano in the case of an eruption, or the geography around a specific river in the case o a flood.

BradG7
03-24-2006, 02:18 AM
For example, a tsunami, you would need the current statistics on the sea floor approaching the coast for at least 10 miles out, which constantly changes. The ones you listed there are like trying to predict the actions of a living being, you can't to a certain degree, so I'd guess you might wait a long time,
so Cheers ;)

BudHenson
04-12-2006, 03:38 AM
Evening all...
Have seen some calculators for nuclear & atomic bomb blast/etc effects somewhere in the past. Don't ya just love Google?
Here's three quickie options. Seems like the code could be snatched from a freeware site.
As for tsunami's - BradG7 is on the money. Seafloor conditions have dramatic effect on the buildup of the wave - as do the tide, wind direction, currents and the specifics of the earthquake or submarine mudslide that create the wave in the first place (OK - series of waves to be exact). Much too complex to model with accuracy, but it seems one could model it to a gross appoximation. Check around in the science bb's. Someone's got to have something like that available.
Volcanos simulators are available - can't remember where though.
Integrating with GE would be really neat application though.
- Bud

HYDESim: High-Yield Detonation Effects Simulator
Controls. move detonation point to view center; recenter view on detonation point; change distance units: miles | kilometers; link to current detonation ...

http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html
Atom Bomb Demo

http://michele.usc.edu/java/fission/bomb.html
Nuclear Weapon Effects Calculator - Federation of American Scientis...
The size of the bomb can be chosen by selecting the weapon's yield, as measured in ... Choosing to deliver the bomb by aircraft assumes it is flying at an ...

http://www.fas.org/main/content.jsp?formAction=297&contentId=367

edwinsrl
04-21-2006, 08:41 PM
Bud,

Thanks for your comments and recommended sites. They are pretty good in fact, at least to know the initial destruction. But since I'm not interesting in destroying anything but in surviving, I would really appreciate similar models in order to know radioactive effects and danger at the first moment, one day after, 2 days after, and so on.

Ed