Concentration Camp Gross-Rosen discussion

Captain Hornblower · 06-10-2009, 04:41 PM

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Concentration Camp Gross-Rosen

KL Gross-Rosen (Groß-Rosen) was a German concentration camp, located in Gross-Rosen, Lower Silesia (now Rogoźnica, Poland). It was located directly on the rail line between Jauer (now Jawor) and Striegau (now Strzegom).

It was set up in the summer of 1940 as a satellite camp to Sachsenhausen, and became an independent camp on May 1, 1941. Initially, work was carried out in the camp's huge stone quarry, owned by the SS-Deutsche Erd- und Steinwerke GmbH. As the complex grew, many inmates were put to work in the construction of the subcamps' facilities.

In October 1941 the SS transferred about 3,000 Soviet POWs to Gross-Rosen for execution by shooting.

Gross-Rosen was known for its brutal treatment of NN (Nacht und Nebel) prisoners, especially in the stone quarry. The brutal treatment of the political and Jewish prisoners was not only due to the SS and criminal prisoners, but to a lesser extent also due to German civilians working in the stone quarry. In 1942 for political prisoners the mean survival time was less than 2 months.

Due to a change of policy in August 1942 the prisoners should survive longer because they were needed as slave workers in German industries. Therefore, some prisoners who were not able to work and not yet dying within a few days, were sent to Dachau in so-called invalid transports. One of these, Willem Lodewijk Harthoorn, an inmate from the end of April to mid-August 1942 wrote an account of his experiences, Verboden te sterven (in Dutch, meaning Forbidden to Die). The largest population of inmates, however, were Jews, initially from the Dachau and Sachsenhausen camps, and later from Buchenwald. During the camp's existence, the Jewish inmate population came mainly from Poland and Hungary; others were from Belgium, France, Netherlands, Greece, Yugoslavia, Slovakia, and Italy.

At its peak activity in 1944, the Gross-Rosen complex had up to sixty subcamps located in eastern Germany and occupied Poland. In its final stage, the population of the Gross-Rosen camps accounted for 11% of the total inmates in Nazi concentration camps at that time. A total of 125,000 inmates of various nationalities passed through the complex during its existence, of whom an estimated 40,000 died on site and in evacuation transports. The camp was liberated on February 14, 1945, by the Red Army.

A total of over 500 female camp guards were trained and served in the Gross Rosen complex. Female SS staffed the women's subcamps of Bruennlitz, Graeben, Gruenberg, Gruschwitz Neusalz, Hundsfeld, Kratzau II, Oberalstadt, Reichenbach, and Schlesiersee Schanzenbau.

A subcamp of Gross-Rosen situated in the Czechoslovakian town of Brunnlitz, was a location where Jews rescued by Oskar Schindler were interned.

Jrod · 06-10-2009, 05:23 PM

seeing that your from Germany, maybe you can answer this question for me. Somebody told me that in Germany if you publicly deny that the holocaust happened that you could be sentenced up to 5 yrs. in prison. Is this true?

Captain Hornblower · 06-13-2009, 12:28 PM

Yes indeed...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksverhetzung

sladys · 06-13-2009, 01:16 PM

Even in Austria you can be punished that way, and much harder. Between 1 and 10 years, and in severecases up to 20 years.

Jrod · 06-13-2009, 04:50 PM

That's an interesting law that want let you forget history. Over here in California they had camps during WWII that they relocated Japanese family's to out of fear that they may sympathize with their nation.

Captain Hornblower · 06-13-2009, 06:01 PM

I know about the camps, but other than the Nazi concentration camps the inmates weren't killed...

sladys · 06-13-2009, 06:44 PM

I didn't know there were such camps in the USA.

Here is more about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes...can_internment

When I read this and what I know about concentration camps I'm astonished how similar it is in a way. Just because of "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership" as the 1988 legislation says.

Jrod · 06-13-2009, 08:15 PM

Sad isn't it, How people react to situations sometimes.

sladys · 06-13-2009, 08:18 PM

Very true.

Captain Hornblower · 06-13-2009, 08:51 PM

But don't forget: there is a big difference between a concentration camp and an extermination camp

Gandolf · 06-15-2009, 01:22 AM

US also had POW camps setup in the south. I was stationed at one in South Carolina during Operation Swift Strike in 1963.

Don,t remember exactly where it was located. I was reassiged to another unit at Fork Leonardwood , Mo. for special training.

http://www.506infantry.org/hisabg/hisabnbgphoto11.html

06-10-2009, 04:41 PM	#1
Captain Hornblower Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Koblenz, Germany Posts: 1,903	Concentration Camp Gross-Rosen discussion This is a discussion thread for the following file: Concentration Camp Gross-Rosen KL Gross-Rosen (Groß-Rosen) was a German concentration camp, located in Gross-Rosen, Lower Silesia (now Rogoźnica, Poland). It was located directly on the rail line between Jauer (now Jawor) and Striegau (now Strzegom). It was set up in the summer of 1940 as a satellite camp to Sachsenhausen, and became an independent camp on May 1, 1941. Initially, work was carried out in the camp's huge stone quarry, owned by the SS-Deutsche Erd- und Steinwerke GmbH. As the complex grew, many inmates were put to work in the construction of the subcamps' facilities. In October 1941 the SS transferred about 3,000 Soviet POWs to Gross-Rosen for execution by shooting. Gross-Rosen was known for its brutal treatment of NN (Nacht und Nebel) prisoners, especially in the stone quarry. The brutal treatment of the political and Jewish prisoners was not only due to the SS and criminal prisoners, but to a lesser extent also due to German civilians working in the stone quarry. In 1942 for political prisoners the mean survival time was less than 2 months. Due to a change of policy in August 1942 the prisoners should survive longer because they were needed as slave workers in German industries. Therefore, some prisoners who were not able to work and not yet dying within a few days, were sent to Dachau in so-called invalid transports. One of these, Willem Lodewijk Harthoorn, an inmate from the end of April to mid-August 1942 wrote an account of his experiences, Verboden te sterven (in Dutch, meaning Forbidden to Die). The largest population of inmates, however, were Jews, initially from the Dachau and Sachsenhausen camps, and later from Buchenwald. During the camp's existence, the Jewish inmate population came mainly from Poland and Hungary; others were from Belgium, France, Netherlands, Greece, Yugoslavia, Slovakia, and Italy. At its peak activity in 1944, the Gross-Rosen complex had up to sixty subcamps located in eastern Germany and occupied Poland. In its final stage, the population of the Gross-Rosen camps accounted for 11% of the total inmates in Nazi concentration camps at that time. A total of 125,000 inmates of various nationalities passed through the complex during its existence, of whom an estimated 40,000 died on site and in evacuation transports. The camp was liberated on February 14, 1945, by the Red Army. A total of over 500 female camp guards were trained and served in the Gross Rosen complex. Female SS staffed the women's subcamps of Bruennlitz, Graeben, Gruenberg, Gruschwitz Neusalz, Hundsfeld, Kratzau II, Oberalstadt, Reichenbach, and Schlesiersee Schanzenbau. A subcamp of Gross-Rosen situated in the Czechoslovakian town of Brunnlitz, was a location where Jews rescued by Oskar Schindler were interned.

06-13-2009, 12:28 PM	#3
Captain Hornblower Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Koblenz, Germany Posts: 1,903	Yes indeed... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksverhetzung __________________ Software is like entropy. It is difficult to grasp, weighs nothing, and obeys the second law of thermodynamics; i.e., it always increases. Norman R. Augustine

06-13-2009, 06:01 PM	#6
Captain Hornblower Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Koblenz, Germany Posts: 1,903	I know about the camps, but other than the Nazi concentration camps the inmates weren't killed... __________________ Software is like entropy. It is difficult to grasp, weighs nothing, and obeys the second law of thermodynamics; i.e., it always increases. Norman R. Augustine

06-13-2009, 08:51 PM	#10
Captain Hornblower Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Koblenz, Germany Posts: 1,903	But don't forget: there is a big difference between a concentration camp and an extermination camp __________________ Software is like entropy. It is difficult to grasp, weighs nothing, and obeys the second law of thermodynamics; i.e., it always increases. Norman R. Augustine

06-15-2009, 01:22 AM	#11
Gandolf Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California Posts: 745	US also had POW camps setup in the south. I was stationed at one in South Carolina during Operation Swift Strike in 1963. Don,t remember exactly where it was located. I was reassiged to another unit at Fork Leonardwood , Mo. for special training. http://www.506infantry.org/hisabg/hisabnbgphoto11.html __________________ Elfish for my true name Findecáno Táralóm My mind works better in sentences with spaces and long paragraphs loose me sometimes cause I need to picture what is going on at the same time I am reading.

06-10-2009, 05:23 PM	#2
Jrod Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA Posts: 173	seeing that your from Germany, maybe you can answer this question for me. Somebody told me that in Germany if you publicly deny that the holocaust happened that you could be sentenced up to 5 yrs. in prison. Is this true?

06-13-2009, 01:16 PM	#4
sladys Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Horuphav, Denmark Posts: 2,399	Even in Austria you can be punished that way, and much harder. Between 1 and 10 years, and in severecases up to 20 years.

06-13-2009, 04:50 PM	#5
Jrod Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA Posts: 173	That's an interesting law that want let you forget history. Over here in California they had camps during WWII that they relocated Japanese family's to out of fear that they may sympathize with their nation.

06-13-2009, 06:44 PM	#7
sladys Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Horuphav, Denmark Posts: 2,399	I didn't know there were such camps in the USA. Here is more about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes...can_internment When I read this and what I know about concentration camps I'm astonished how similar it is in a way. Just because of "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership" as the 1988 legislation says.

06-13-2009, 08:15 PM	#8
Jrod Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA Posts: 173	Sad isn't it, How people react to situations sometimes.

06-13-2009, 08:18 PM	#9
sladys Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Horuphav, Denmark Posts: 2,399	Very true.

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